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Posted : 18/06/10 / Views : 770 / Replies : 7 /
c_ruff 12 posts last on: 07/02/12 send private reply	Why have equity rates gone up? They say they do this and that but nothing really reaches the lower part of the ladder, fringe theatre actors and those you are not working all the way up in the BBC. I don't really understand what use it is to be part of equity if you don't have regular work all the time. It does absolutely nothing for me, yet still some people consider it a must if you call yourself professional. why? It's just me paying for the most expensive year planner in the world? I think equity should work differently, a union with power such as SAG, because at the moment I find it quite useless for people such as me.

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Posted : 17/06/10
SallyBeaumont1 845 posts last on: 6 hours send private reply	Before the inevitable whatsit hits the fan... It's easy to feel that there's no point to Equity- but there's many many years of contracts and negotiations down to them. It would be a scary world without Equity fighting for our rights and fees down the years(even worse than now!). Yes, it may be frustrating to have to cough up 8 pounds a month when you're out of work, but they really are on your side in a lonely old business. The workplace insurance alone is worth having (imagine if you broke your leg on set and couldn't work)- that's included in your subs. Plus the free legal advice, which has saved my bacon on a number of ocassions when I couldn't afford a lawyer. I'd encourage you to make the most of Equity- read the website, go to meetings, get advice. You've paid for it after all. Good luck and all that!

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Posted : 17/06/10

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Before the inevitable whatsit hits the fan...

It's easy to feel that there's no point to Equity- but there's many many years of contracts and negotiations down to them. It would be a scary world without Equity fighting for our rights and fees down the years(even worse than now!).

Yes, it may be frustrating to have to cough up 8 pounds a month when you're out of work, but they really are on your side in a lonely old business.

The workplace insurance alone is worth having (imagine if you broke your leg on set and couldn't work)- that's included in your subs.

Plus the free legal advice, which has saved my bacon on a number of ocassions when I couldn't afford a lawyer.

I'd encourage you to make the most of Equity- read the website, go to meetings, get advice. You've paid for it after all.

Good luck and all that!

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Posted : 17/06/10
Nigel.Peever 344 posts last on: 07/02/12 send private reply	Everyone says it about insurances, until they need to claim. And keep looking at that equity job information service it's not a lot, but how many jobs do you need to recoup your subs? If we want it to be there when we really need it then we've got to pay for it to be there the rest of the time when other people are having their turn.

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Posted : 17/06/10
leeravitz 1543 posts last on: 6 hours send private reply	Sally is correct, and I am an ardent supporter of Equity as our only real defence against a business that is increasingly attempting to take the actors that work within it for granted (or, worse yet, take them for idiots). With that said, I don't want to forestall a voice like yours that actually goes to the heart of where I feel the current rot exists within the Union. Equity has, indeed, allowed itself, over the last twenty years, to cocoon itself from the (disastrous) changes that have overtaken the industry since the closed shop union was abolished, and to write off the majority of those who are coming into the profession today. On the one hand, in an attempt to maintain its own subscription rate, the union has (more or less) foregone any vetting procedure of its membership (so that anyone who can show that they have acted once or twice and are prepared to fill the Union's coffers will be welcomed in as a member), and yet, at the same time, it self-indulgently chooses to ignore the vast majority of the concerns of what is, at roots, its grass roots support base. It is certainly NOT Equity's fault that the industry has been overtaken by the endless proliferation of non and low paying work, that residuals for broadcast work have all but become vetoed by most producing companies, that a cult of promoting non-actors to do an actors job because they are cheaper to employ, less likely to complain and (supposedly) more 'real' has sprung up, that the rep system has totally collapsed, that drama schools have been allowed to accept ever more intake leaving the market for actors increasingly saturated and oversupplied, that business minded producers have taken control of most projects, with the collapse of subsidisation, and demand the endless usage of the same thousand odd actors who can be 'guaranteed' to make them profit etc. etc. - all of these issues can ultimately be traced to the emasculation of the Union's power over the marketplace, which was forced on it by law. It is true to say that there are many actors working today who might never have even been able to consider a career in the profession thirty years ago because it is only the existence of the 'open market' principle that ever generates any work for them. And, indeed, many grass roots actors sustain themselves through a mixture of jobs that pay below Equity rate, the occasional Equity rate paying job, self-created projects, profit-share and 'day jobs' that support them. The issue of whether or not an actor should even consider doing a non paying piece of work (not least because it tends to perpetuate the market for non paying work) will always remain contested: there are, in today's crowded market, some valid reasons for arguing that any fledgling actor hoping to start networking, be seen by representatives or generate showreel material has to work for free for some years simply in order to make their presence felt. Most actors, it is safe to say, after a few years of working this way refuse to accept it any longer. Yet, rather than attempt to stand against this tide, Equity has tended to close ranks, to maintain that 'fringe' work remains 'illegitimate', to acknowledge that the Union remains strongest when it campaigns in areas where it is certain of achieving a result - for example, in reciprocal agreements with West End theatres or the BBC - and to wipe under the carpet the fact that the experience of a huge percentage of actors working today has nothing to do with working in the West End or for the BBC. Frankly, the lack of power of the union in some circumstances amazes me. To know that virtually all film schools, for example, who all employ outside actors on a regular basis to benefit their students, their course requirements, and their reputations as educational establishments, and who are, BY LAW, demanded to pay a nominal wage to those who work for them, continue to flout the demand to pay actors something in the realm of £60 an hour for their time, actually beggars belief. And yet, the voices decrying this at Equity are lone voices, and they do no appear to have the whole union behind them. You will hear supporters of the Union frequently saying that we cannot distance ourselves from 'it' by blaming 'it' because the Union is, in fact, us. This is true to a certain extent - and this is why, if you wish to see change develop in the Union, you should try and attend meetings or, at the very least, make you sure you vote for candidates who support your standpoint when elections come along. But we cannot ignore the fact that things like the Council and the Presidency (which decide and enact the Union line) are occupied, in the majority, by actors who have no awareness of, or much interest in, the difficulties of the current 'grass roots' elements of the profession. I was personally massively thankful that, this year, we have seen a push within the candidacy for council by a number of individuals who are concerned with the issues that we worry about and who (surprise, surprise) have often made these opinions felt on CCP. A certain momentum was generated when, for the first time last year, we crafted a letter to the Stage protesting the proliferation of no/low paying work (and won several hundred signatures) and then went on to table discussions of these issues at the Equity general meetings. I don't know my Equity history massively well, but it genuinely appears as if nothing like this had been done in recent memory. We have yet to see the election results come in, it would seem, but, sadly, we may well find all the candidates supporting 'our' line didn't make it, because they just cannot generate enough votes and support from within the 'traditionalist' environs of Equity. Let's hope otherwise. Frequently, the whole situation plays out like a Catch - 22. Why are more young actors NOT members of Equity? Because it costs to be a member, and so very little that Equity does appears to impact upon the concerns of those who are just starting out in the profession and cannot find work that pays them at all, let alone pays them properly. And yet, what happens as more and more young actors refuse to become members of Equity? They allow the Equity old guard the ammunition they need to dismiss them as 'amateurs'. When the letter to the Stage I have mentioned was debated last year, there were many Equity members who supported the sentiment of it, and yet would do nothing more to promote it because they suspected the majority of the signatories weren't members of the Union. And, though I hate to admit it, they were probably right. On these sorts of divides everything breaks down. Equity can, as Sally says, do useful things to support you - it can offer you legal redress in times of difficulty; it has benevolent and hardship funds available for deserving cases; it can advise you on your tax issues and contracts. In truth, this is little enough compared to the days when being a member of Equity actually gave you a professional status and guaranteed decent payment for your work. But I would say that the main reason to be a member is that only by being a member can you start to have an effect on how the union needs to alter: we can only make the union come round to our way of seeing things by becoming members of it.

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Posted : 17/06/10

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Sally is correct, and I am an ardent supporter of Equity as our only real defence against a business that is increasingly attempting to take the actors that work within it for granted (or, worse yet, take them for idiots).

With that said, I don't want to forestall a voice like yours that actually goes to the heart of where I feel the current rot exists within the Union. Equity has, indeed, allowed itself, over the last twenty years, to cocoon itself from the (disastrous) changes that have overtaken the industry since the closed shop union was abolished, and to write off the majority of those who are coming into the profession today. On the one hand, in an attempt to maintain its own subscription rate, the union has (more or less) foregone any vetting procedure of its membership (so that anyone who can show that they have acted once or twice and are prepared to fill the Union's coffers will be welcomed in as a member), and yet, at the same time, it self-indulgently chooses to ignore the vast majority of the concerns of what is, at roots, its grass roots support base. It is certainly NOT Equity's fault that the industry has been overtaken by the endless proliferation of non and low paying work, that residuals for broadcast work have all but become vetoed by most producing companies, that a cult of promoting non-actors to do an actors job because they are cheaper to employ, less likely to complain and (supposedly) more 'real' has sprung up, that the rep system has totally collapsed, that drama schools have been allowed to accept ever more intake leaving the market for actors increasingly saturated and oversupplied, that business minded producers have taken control of most projects, with the collapse of subsidisation, and demand the endless usage of the same thousand odd actors who can be 'guaranteed' to make them profit etc. etc. - all of these issues can ultimately be traced to the emasculation of the Union's power over the marketplace, which was forced on it by law. It is true to say that there are many actors working today who might never have even been able to consider a career in the profession thirty years ago because it is only the existence of the 'open market' principle that ever generates any work for them. And, indeed, many grass roots actors sustain themselves through a mixture of jobs that pay below Equity rate, the occasional Equity rate paying job, self-created projects, profit-share and 'day jobs' that support them. The issue of whether or not an actor should even consider doing a non paying piece of work (not least because it tends to perpetuate the market for non paying work) will always remain contested: there are, in today's crowded market, some valid reasons for arguing that any fledgling actor hoping to start networking, be seen by representatives or generate showreel material *has* to work for free for some years simply in order to make their presence felt. Most actors, it is safe to say, after a few years of working this way refuse to accept it any longer.

Yet, rather than attempt to stand against this tide, Equity has tended to close ranks, to maintain that 'fringe' work remains 'illegitimate', to acknowledge that the Union remains strongest when it campaigns in areas where it is certain of achieving a result - for example, in reciprocal agreements with West End theatres or the BBC - and to wipe under the carpet the fact that the experience of a huge percentage of actors working today has nothing to do with working in the West End or for the BBC.

Frankly, the lack of power of the union in some circumstances amazes me. To know that virtually all film schools, for example, who all employ outside actors on a regular basis to benefit *their* students, *their* course requirements, and *their* reputations as educational establishments, and who are, BY LAW, demanded to pay a nominal wage to those who work for them, continue to flout the demand to pay actors something in the realm of £60 an hour for their time, actually beggars belief. And yet, the voices decrying this at Equity are lone voices, and they do no appear to have the whole union behind them.

You will hear supporters of the Union frequently saying that we cannot distance ourselves from 'it' by blaming 'it' because the Union is, in fact, us. This is true to a certain extent - and this is why, if you wish to see change develop in the Union, you should try and attend meetings or, at the very least, make you sure you vote for candidates who support your standpoint when elections come along. But we cannot ignore the fact that things like the Council and the Presidency (which decide and enact the Union line) are occupied, in the majority, by actors who have no awareness of, or much interest in, the difficulties of the current 'grass roots' elements of the profession. I was personally massively thankful that, this year, we have seen a push within the candidacy for council by a number of individuals who are concerned with the issues that we worry about and who (surprise, surprise) have often made these opinions felt on CCP. A certain momentum was generated when, for the first time last year, we crafted a letter to the Stage protesting the proliferation of no/low paying work (and won several hundred signatures) and then went on to table discussions of these issues at the Equity general meetings. I don't know my Equity history massively well, but it genuinely appears as if nothing like this had been done in recent memory. We have yet to see the election results come in, it would seem, but, sadly, we may well find all the candidates supporting 'our' line didn't make it, because they just cannot generate enough votes and support from within the 'traditionalist' environs of Equity. Let's hope otherwise.

Frequently, the whole situation plays out like a Catch - 22. Why are more young actors NOT members of Equity? Because it costs to be a member, and so very little that Equity does appears to impact upon the concerns of those who are just starting out in the profession and cannot find work that pays them at all, let alone pays them properly. And yet, what happens as more and more young actors refuse to become members of Equity? They allow the Equity old guard the ammunition they need to dismiss them as 'amateurs'. When the letter to the Stage I have mentioned was debated last year, there were many Equity members who supported the sentiment of it, and yet would do nothing more to promote it because they suspected the majority of the signatories weren't members of the Union. And, though I hate to admit it, they were probably right. On these sorts of divides everything breaks down.

Equity can, as Sally says, do useful things to support you - it can offer you legal redress in times of difficulty; it has benevolent and hardship funds available for deserving cases; it can advise you on your tax issues and contracts. In truth, this is little enough compared to the days when being a member of Equity actually gave you a professional status and guaranteed decent payment for your work. But I would say that the main reason to be a member is that only by being a member can you start to have an effect on how the union needs to alter: we can only make the union come round to our way of seeing things by becoming members of it.

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Posted : 17/06/10
leeravitz 1543 posts last on: 6 hours send private reply	In retrospect, I should have put more paragraph breaks in that one! It's hurting my eyes.

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Posted : 18/06/10
markkempner 1113 posts last on: 07/02/12 send private reply	Pretty well summed up by Lee I'd say…! Not Equity's fault you say Lee, regarding the closed shop law: Yes you are quite right to mention the closed shop law that the Magwitch,Umm I mean Maggie....abolished and perhaps weakened our Union at the time….but I cannot accept this is why they appear to be so weak now….that was years ago, Equity and its members have had plenty of time to deal with that! Other Unions …Musician Union, BECTU etc are still regarded as pretty powerful and very protective of their members…..however, they do have a much more overall progressive outlook, seemingly stronger voice and grasp of the real world than Equity seem to have these days. Any union is only as strong as its members. All of those who ignore our pleas of stop continually working for nothing with such regularity, and or not even bothering to join the Union, you do yourself and worse still, your colleagues, a big disservice. To cap this, Equity have announced on more than one occasion, they actively appear to support working for nowt, even ignore the NMW………!!! You could not write it…..but our Union did….and even as an official announcement in the Stage from time to time!! Lee is right to point out, we do have many contractual protections in place, which are thanks to the Union's hard work and those who spend a great deal of time and Energy to negotiate and carry the flag on our behalf. We should praise them, for I am sure it's a thankless task they do. I admire their conviction. Not that long ago, I nervously stood before a London Equity AGM, and told them that the Union's has an Image problem: Some of the Equity officials glared back at me with a look of horror and "how very dare you...say such a thing"!! Well I stand by my view and the Image of the Union certainly needs to change pronto. The Equity website is under review, and I and many others no doubt, are going to be contacted about this by someone at Equity soon…..we can all get much more involved if you are a member of the Union by registering on the website forum and voicing your views there. Its no good just whinging on here! Yes there are a few …maybe even a lot of individuals who are trying very hard to rectify what is wrong within the Union, and have a much better and modern view on the way things should go. Their voice is getting stronger, however, they are still woefully outnumbered by the same old "50 years a member, this is the way we've always done things brigade!" In fact I was made to feel quite small by several Equity unionists who seem to treat the Union as a last and final platform for their own cause and fame…..ignoring the real issues we face. If you feel strongly that the Union is a waste of space….which I disagree with completely…….though there are times, I know how you feel…!!! However, if you feel like that, and or if you feel as a member, you are sick of this that and the other…..how many have you have bothered to go onto the Equity website forum and add your weight there? Worse still….how many Equity members even know of the Equity website and forum? I feel with a new and modernised website, for those who do not wish to attend meetings etc etc……the Equity website forum is a good starting point to be heard. Its no good venting on here about your Union……you need to vent to the Union directly. In fairness to the Union, its also no good to work for free all the time, or not even expenses - and then moan about it all the time either. I see this all the time on here…..I repeat - a Union is only as strong as you want it to be. You have to act on behalf on the Union too! If a musical runs over time and keeps the musicians longer than the contracted time…..they get extra overtime pay….further more, if the Co refuses this…..the Muso's will down instruments and that's it…..how many of you have worked longer hours on a film set and or not claimed your overtime, or had your agents say, well we don't want to upset them do we?!!! That's how you become strong and respected, by all the members and their agents sticking together, working professionally, and working as one voice ….acting with solidarity ….but it needs to be with the Unions full backing and support....as opposed to saying the NMW will be the death of fringe etc etc!! This does not mean I support fruitless actors strikes, and or being a hard nosed militant, I would hate to see that…..just acting professionally within your business, having a bit of give and take, sticking out for what has been fought for and agreed…..helping each other and not just thinking of your own situation all the time. This problem has perpetuated not just because of actors and or the Union. There are many other contributing factors; way too many agents putting their actors up for jobs way below the agreed rates does not help anyone, Casting Directors working hand in hand with producers by not offering correct repeat fees and instead crappy buyouts! An enormous amount of Drama schools and film schools failing to prepare the students for the business side of the professional. Casting websites continually listing jobs at way below the Union rates and or British law minimum wage - and all the while ….Equity arguing so much within its ranks about ancient motions and rules whilst all this goes on under their noses has not helped either. If members and or non members chose to ignore this….the professional status of the "professional actor" and the Union's protection is diminished to the point of distinction…..which sadly is where we now find ourselves! Writing and venting about this sort of thing is therapeutic to a degree, but there will be 100's… 1000's reading this, who will say "well that might be so…..but I'm still going to pander to the producers and my agent by working for free all the time!" "Oh what has the Union ever done for me…..whilst I agree to do a job for Fish and Chips!" Worse still, they will be the ones moaning about it!! This post wasn't a direct dig at Constanza, the original poster, we understand and share your frustrations…..but we are "all" accountable for the current situation or should be....not just the Union!

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Posted : 18/06/10

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Pretty well summed up by Lee I'd say…!

Not Equity's fault you say Lee, regarding the closed shop law: Yes you are quite right to mention the closed shop law that the Magwitch,Umm I mean Maggie....abolished and perhaps weakened our Union at the time….but I cannot accept this is why they appear to be so weak now….that was years ago, Equity and its members have had plenty of time to deal with that!

Other Unions …Musician Union, BECTU etc are still regarded as pretty powerful and very protective of their members…..however, they do have a much more overall progressive outlook, seemingly stronger voice and grasp of the real world than Equity seem to have these days.

Any union is only as strong as its members. All of those who ignore our pleas of stop continually working for nothing with such regularity, and or not even bothering to join the Union, you do yourself and worse still, your colleagues, a big disservice. To cap this, Equity have announced on more than one occasion, they actively appear to support working for nowt, even ignore the NMW………!!! You could not write it…..but our Union did….and even as an official announcement in the Stage from time to time!!

Lee is right to point out, we do have many contractual protections in place, which are thanks to the Union's hard work and those who spend a great deal of time and Energy to negotiate and carry the flag on our behalf. We should praise them, for I am sure it's a thankless task they do. I admire their conviction.

Not that long ago, I nervously stood before a London Equity AGM, and told them that the Union's has an Image problem: Some of the Equity officials glared back at me with a look of horror and "how very dare you...say such a thing"!! Well I stand by my view and the Image of the Union certainly needs to change pronto. The Equity website is under review, and I and many others no doubt, are going to be contacted about this by someone at Equity soon…..we can all get much more involved if you are a member of the Union by registering on the website forum and voicing your views there. Its no good just whinging on here!

Yes there are a few …maybe even a lot of individuals who are trying very hard to rectify what is wrong within the Union, and have a much better and modern view on the way things should go. Their voice is getting stronger, however, they are still woefully outnumbered by the same old "50 years a member, this is the way we've always done things brigade!" In fact I was made to feel quite small by several Equity unionists who seem to treat the Union as a last and final platform for their own cause and fame…..ignoring the real issues we face.

If you feel strongly that the Union is a waste of space….which I disagree with completely…….though there are times, I know how you feel…!!! However, if you feel like that, and or if you feel as a member, you are sick of this that and the other…..how many have you have bothered to go onto the Equity website forum and add your weight there? Worse still….how many Equity members even know of the Equity website and forum?

I feel with a new and modernised website, for those who do not wish to attend meetings etc etc……the Equity website forum is a good starting point to be heard. Its no good venting on here about your Union……you need to vent to the Union directly.

In fairness to the Union, its also no good to work for free all the time, or not even expenses - and then moan about it all the time either. I see this all the time on here…..I repeat - a Union is only as strong as you want it to be. You have to act on behalf on the Union too! If a musical runs over time and keeps the musicians longer than the contracted time…..they get extra overtime pay….further more, if the Co refuses this…..the Muso's will down instruments and that's it…..how many of you have worked longer hours on a film set and or not claimed your overtime, or had your agents say, well we don't want to upset them do we?!!!

That's how you become strong and respected, by all the members and their agents sticking together, working professionally, and working as one voice ….acting with solidarity ….but it needs to be with the Unions full backing and support....as opposed to saying the NMW will be the death of fringe etc etc!!

This does not mean I support fruitless actors strikes, and or being a hard nosed militant, I would hate to see that…..just acting professionally within your business, having a bit of give and take, sticking out for what has been fought for and agreed…..helping each other and not just thinking of your own situation all the time.

This problem has perpetuated not just because of actors and or the Union. There are many other contributing factors; way too many agents putting their actors up for jobs way below the agreed rates does not help anyone, Casting Directors working hand in hand with producers by not offering correct repeat fees and instead crappy buyouts! An enormous amount of Drama schools and film schools failing to prepare the students for the business side of the professional. Casting websites continually listing jobs at way below the Union rates and or British law minimum wage - and all the while ….Equity arguing so much within its ranks about ancient motions and rules whilst all this goes on under their noses has not helped either. If members and or non members chose to ignore this….the professional status of the "professional actor" and the Union's protection is diminished to the point of distinction…..which sadly is where we now find ourselves!

Writing and venting about this sort of thing is therapeutic to a degree, but there will be 100's… 1000's reading this, who will say "well that might be so…..but I'm still going to pander to the producers and my agent by working for free all the time!" "Oh what has the Union ever done for me…..whilst I agree to do a job for Fish and Chips!" Worse still, they will be the ones moaning about it!!

This post wasn't a direct dig at Constanza, the original poster, we understand and share your frustrations…..but we are "all" accountable for the current situation or should be....not just the Union!

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Posted : 18/06/10
CliveHurst 1001 posts last on: 07/02/12 send private reply	Equity union is run by the members - for the members... Elections are now taking place for all positions on Equity Council. Now is the time for all members, to have their say in the way the union is run. Council is there to make and also to follow through with policies, made at annual conference (ARC). Being a councillor is an important position, make sure your vote - counts! **:^))

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Posted : 18/06/10
AndrewMacbean 30 posts last on: 07/02/12 send private reply	Equity is a member led organisation with the staff offering the benefit of their experience and expertise before ultimately doing what the members ask of them. It operates through branch meetings, specialist committees and Council all "staffed" by members who give up their time for free. There is no doubt that there are loads of things wrong with our Industry and Equity can sometimes look ineffectual in sorting problems out. But my experience is that the problems we face are sorted out because they are very complex and there are no easy answers. If you are interested in trying to understand more and help get things changed the best way to start is by attending branch meetings. The committee I am involved in is ITAC (Independent Theatre Arts) dealing with Fringe, small scale and rural touring, social theatre, workshops, outdoor theatre, role play and TIE. We meet 4 times a year and welcome observors. The next meeting is in London on 6 July. If you want to come and see a bit more about how the Union operates and start getting your voice heard message me and I will send you details. Hope this helps

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Posted : 18/06/10

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Equity is a member led organisation with the staff offering the benefit of their experience and expertise before ultimately doing what the members ask of them. It operates through branch meetings, specialist committees and Council all "staffed" by members who give up their time for free. There is no doubt that there are loads of things wrong with our Industry and Equity can sometimes look ineffectual in sorting problems out. But my experience is that the problems we face are sorted out because they are very complex and there are no easy answers. If you are interested in trying to understand more and help get things changed the best way to start is by attending branch meetings. The committee I am involved in is ITAC (Independent Theatre Arts) dealing with Fringe, small scale and rural touring, social theatre, workshops, outdoor theatre, role play and TIE. We meet 4 times a year and welcome observors. The next meeting is in London on 6 July. If you want to come and see a bit more about how the Union operates and start getting your voice heard message me and I will send you details. Hope this helps

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