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Posted : 29/11/09 / Views : 1103 / Replies : 20 /
anonymous	because we discuss some really important issues this week-- I'd love your oppinions for next week when we will be re-inviting the police inspector in to continue discussions about justice and policing -- if you can post below any points that i can raise or genuine examples i can use that'd be great ... BBC i - player Radio Derby- the ACE show (9 pm slot) thanks

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	Reply #1
Posted : 23/11/09
anonymous	Come on guys -- chance to say it on radio- am depending on you !

	Reply #2
Posted : 24/11/09
anonymous	Well I have to say i feel very let down by my CCP friends and collegues so far on this..a chance to tell your feelings about the state of Uk and law n order today.... was hoping for something from u guys... Lee where are you !!!

	Reply #3
Posted : 24/11/09
Alanbrent 1826 posts last on: 07/02/12 send private reply	What is there to say,Mike? I doubt anyone has any heart for a strong debate on the subject. I certainly haven't. The criminals even when convicted get shorter sentences for violence against people than they do for defrauding banks. Yet we all know banks are defrauding us all the time. Policemen are attacked by gangs of young kids for doing their job and aren't allowed to strike back in case they get sued for it and lose their careers. Nursing staff get beaten up for trying to treat their patients and firefighters get stones thrown at them as they try to do their work. Ambulances are robbed at scenes of accidents. Mate...it is all happening but why should your thread spark any more interest or comment? It is happening all around us and one debate on a radio station with a policeman won't stop it. We would rather just get on with our lives and avoid those situations.

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Posted : 24/11/09

Alanbrent
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What is there to say,Mike?
I doubt anyone has any heart for a strong debate on the subject. I certainly haven't. The criminals even when convicted get shorter sentences for violence against people than they do for defrauding banks. Yet we all know banks are defrauding us all the time. Policemen are attacked by gangs of young kids for doing their job and aren't allowed to strike back in case they get sued for it and lose their careers. Nursing staff get beaten up for trying to treat their patients and firefighters get stones thrown at them as they try to do their work. Ambulances are robbed at scenes of accidents.
Mate...it is all happening but why should your thread spark any more interest or comment? It is happening all around us and one debate on a radio station with a policeman won't stop it.
We would rather just get on with our lives and avoid those situations.

	Reply #4
Posted : 24/11/09
Glenn.Speers 221 posts last on: 7 min send private reply	Fraid so.

	Reply #5
Posted : 24/11/09
leigh2 108 posts last on: 07/12/10 send private reply	This was something I found really shocking about the UK when I first arrived here, I had never seen anything like the examples above in other places in the world... it could be that things have changed dramatically though. I wouldn't like to speculate on how to fix it or how it happened that things are like this these days but it is really sad that it happens at all! Another example: A Council Surveyor working on refurbishing council flats to help those 'less fortunate' sees kids have broken into the work site and are climbing all around the rigging, he comes back with a policeman to get them out, they refuse saying they "will tell people that the policeman showed them his willy" - Policeman shrugs his shoulders and walks away... so so sad. The other's are right though, it's just so defeating that people get away with it, there is no fight left in anyone it seems.

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Posted : 24/11/09

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This was something I found really shocking about the UK when I first arrived here, I had never seen anything like the examples above in other places in the world... it could be that things have changed dramatically though.

I wouldn't like to speculate on how to fix it or how it happened that things are like this these days but it is really sad that it happens at all!

Another example: A Council Surveyor working on refurbishing council flats to help those 'less fortunate' sees kids have broken into the work site and are climbing all around the rigging, he comes back with a policeman to get them out, they refuse saying they "will tell people that the policeman showed them his willy" - Policeman shrugs his shoulders and walks away... so so sad.

The other's are right though, it's just so defeating that people get away with it, there is no fight left in anyone it seems.

	Reply #6
Posted : 24/11/09
Alanbrent 1826 posts last on: 07/02/12 send private reply	The trouble seems to me that whereas when I was younger we had to respect the police and older people because our parents instilled that in to us. Nowadays kids rule supreme. No clip round the ear, no physical restraining in fact no touching what ever or it is a criminal offence. So if some kids start to beat you up in the street or abuse you or your family you can do absolutely nothing about it or you will be arrested and put on the register as a child molester! THEY KNOW THAT! So what can you do except bite your tongue and walk away to the derision of ruthless little pillocks! Parents need to change their tune too. But apathy amongst the multitude have let this creeping fungus of lack of control grow and grow to the point where it doesn't matter what is said, nothing gets done. So naturally the status quo continues and becomes worse.

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Posted : 24/11/09

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The trouble seems to me that whereas when I was younger we had to respect the police and older people because our parents instilled that in to us. Nowadays kids rule supreme. No clip round the ear, no physical restraining in fact no touching what ever or it is a criminal offence. So if some kids start to beat you up in the street or abuse you or your family you can do absolutely nothing about it or you will be arrested and put on the register as a child molester! THEY KNOW THAT!
So what can you do except bite your tongue and walk away to the derision of ruthless little pillocks!
Parents need to change their tune too. But apathy amongst the multitude have let this creeping fungus of lack of control grow and grow to the point where it doesn't matter what is said, nothing gets done. So naturally the status quo continues and becomes worse.

	Reply #7
Posted : 24/11/09
leeravitz 1543 posts last on: 20 hours send private reply	Thanks for the vote of confidence in my opinions, Splat...although given that this is such a specific topic, and not one I would profess to know masses about, I didn't think I'd have much of an opinion worth passing on it. Although I think it is always easy to paint the past in rosy hues, and imply that the way society 'used to' behave was better than it is now in our own 'degenerate' age, I think Alan's point is valid, inasmuch as our society as a whole has lost most of the idea of 'respect' for others that once characterised it. This may, at least in part, be because we have also lost a sense of hierarchy, which may not be an entirely bad thing in other ways. It has given us more job mobility, more racial and religious integration, more sexual equality than ever existed in Britain in the 1950's, 1930's or 1910's. But it has also contributed to the sense that nothing is sacred, and 'respecting your betters' is no longer a valid societal principle. Everyone in this modern society thinks that they are owed something, and noone ever willingly considers themselves in the wrong. There is little honour, and there is little wish to be seen to 'do the right thing'. In ways that I find hard to trace, all of that seems to contribute to the general malaise that characterises much of current society. With that said, I still don't think (for all that there are loud accusations to the contrary) that we live in an especially lawless society. Weimar Germany, where there were running street battles in the middle of major towns every day, and the judiciary was so corrupt that the length of sentencing depended entirely on the defendants' social class and political allegiance, was a lawless society. Many of today's African nations, where property is expropriated at gunpoint, and militias rape and maim in the name of maintaining good order, are lawless societies (or, at least, societies in which a veneer of constitutional law is totally swept aside in reality). Britain remains a basically constitutional, basically democratic, mainstream nation in which legal redress is still widely and impartially applied, and this shouldn't be ignored. The real problem, in my opinion, is that there is too much emphasis on the citizens rights, not too little. This tends to mean that if someone breaks into my house in order to steal my property, and I elect to fend him off with a baseball bat, and in so doing, give him brain damage, he or his dependents can sue me! That is, in many ways, a travesty, but, on the other hand (and I have little knowledge of legal nicety, so don't quote me on this), I think most legal authorities would draw a distinction between the damage to property and the damage to the person, and conclude that damage to the person was a more serious crime than damage to property. This would be because of the legal limitations in place, not in spite of the law. In the US, of course, where it is the constitutionally endowed right of every citizen to be armed if they so wish (in accordance with the 2nd Amendment), and where all of the police force also go armed, a different set of legal difficulties arises. There is a lot more shooting, but there is also a lot more litigation.

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Posted : 24/11/09

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Thanks for the vote of confidence in my opinions, Splat...although given that this is such a specific topic, and not one I would profess to know masses about, I didn't think I'd have much of an opinion worth passing on it.

Although I think it is always easy to paint the past in rosy hues, and imply that the way society 'used to' behave was better than it is now in our own 'degenerate' age, I think Alan's point is valid, inasmuch as our society as a whole has lost most of the idea of 'respect' for others that once characterised it. This may, at least in part, be because we have also lost a sense of hierarchy, which may not be an entirely bad thing in other ways. It has given us more job mobility, more racial and religious integration, more sexual equality than ever existed in Britain in the 1950's, 1930's or 1910's. But it has also contributed to the sense that nothing is sacred, and 'respecting your betters' is no longer a valid societal principle. Everyone in this modern society thinks that they are owed something, and noone ever willingly considers themselves in the wrong. There is little honour, and there is little wish to be seen to 'do the right thing'. In ways that I find hard to trace, all of that seems to contribute to the general malaise that characterises much of current society.

With that said, I still don't think (for all that there are loud accusations to the contrary) that we live in an especially lawless society. Weimar Germany, where there were running street battles in the middle of major towns every day, and the judiciary was so corrupt that the length of sentencing depended entirely on the defendants' social class and political allegiance, was a lawless society. Many of today's African nations, where property is expropriated at gunpoint, and militias rape and maim in the name of maintaining good order, are lawless societies (or, at least, societies in which a veneer of constitutional law is totally swept aside in reality). Britain remains a basically constitutional, basically democratic, mainstream nation in which legal redress is still widely and impartially applied, and this shouldn't be ignored. The real problem, in my opinion, is that there is *too* much emphasis on the citizens rights, not too little. This tends to mean that if someone breaks into my house in order to steal my property, and I elect to fend him off with a baseball bat, and in so doing, give him brain damage, he or his dependents can sue *me*! That is, in many ways, a travesty, but, on the other hand (and I have little knowledge of legal nicety, so don't quote me on this), I think most legal authorities would draw a distinction between the damage to property and the damage to the person, and conclude that damage to the person was a more serious crime than damage to property. This would be because of the legal limitations in place, not in spite of the law.

In the US, of course, where it is the constitutionally endowed right of every citizen to be armed if they so wish (in accordance with the 2nd Amendment), and where all of the police force also go armed, a different set of legal difficulties arises. There is a lot more shooting, but there is also a lot more litigation.

	Reply #8
Posted : 24/11/09
anonymous	Thank you all for your input-- Do we not think that the police or the justice system itself-- now sides with the perpetrators of crime- the offenders (Human rights etc) - and in a way victimises the victim?? The guy who shot those Nottingham robbers- etc etc

	Reply #9
Posted : 24/11/09
anonymous	As far as getting on with our lives is concerned-- it IS YOUR LIVES!!! What happened in Germany when that attitude prevailed ?? Nazism !! - I kid u not- these gangs are taking over our estates and the police are more and more powerless no???? Thoughts ??

	Reply #10
Posted : 24/11/09
CliveHurst 1001 posts last on: 07/02/12 send private reply	Were all doomed!!! :)

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